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Tuesday, 03 November 2009 12:46

An Interview with Marian G. Berry

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Question: Marian, are you a Seventh-day Adventist?

Answer: Yes, I am. I have been a Seventh-day Adventist for more than 60 years.

Question: Do you believe the teachings of Seventh-day Adventists?

Answer: Yes, I am in harmony with the doctrines taught by Seventh-day Adventists, I especially treasure the doctrines of the Second Coming of Jesus, The State of the Dead, The Sanctuary and its Typology, The Perpetuity of the Laws of God, and the Seventh-day Sabbath. In fact, I base all my studies on these foundational Truths.

Question: Have you served in any way as a laborer for the Seventh-day Adventist organization?

Answer: Oh, yes. I was the Associate Superintendent of schools in Ohio for 15 years, and in Iowa-Missouri Conference for 5 years. Before that my husband and I were missionaries in Africa for two terms totaling nearly ten years. In between those major areas I have served as a Dean of Women in Columbia Union College, as a teacher in Kentucky, and New Jersey. I worked with my husband in many places to many people; many were baptized and brought into the church. While working in Seventh-day Adventist Academies, I taught Introduction to Bible, Bible Doctrines, and related subjects.

Question: In what church do you now have membership?

Answer: I attend the nearest Seventh-day Adventist Church in whatever area I find myself, but I do not have membership in any of them presently.

Question: Why do you not have current membership?

Answer: One of my greatest reasons in having membership is to share with others the beautiful things I have found in the Scripture. Verses that hold hope and cheer for those who face the future with fear and trembling. I love to strengthen their faith and help them to know and love the Creator God. I am a teacher at heart and love to make the Bible a book that is easy to understand, and to know a God that is their only hope of eternal life. I am not permitted to do this work in any of the churches where I have been over the past few years.

Question: Who is stopping you from your work of teaching?

Answer: The pastors have been warned that I am not allowed to teach, or hold seminars, or circulate literature or books, or influence any one in regard to Bible topics.

Question: You say, “the pastors have been warned.” Warned by whom and how are they warned?

Answer: The pastors, and even the elders are warned in workers’ meetings that I am in the area and they must “protect” their congregation from my influence.

Question: You still have not answered the question fully! Who is warning the pastors and elders?

Answer: I did not mean to be evasive. But I am reluctant to expose anyone in his actions, especially, if he feels that he is doing the Lord a good service. I cannot judge motives on these things. But now that you are asking the question, I will answer it, from over years of experience, both here in the USA and while traveling overseas.

This is a rather long story. In 1950 I spent six months in the South African Division office and library under the direction of the “top theologian,” F. G. Clifford, to research and produce a manuscript, permitting the Bible and the Spirit of Prophesy to interpret and supply the Song of Solomon. In 1953 we returned to the USA where the completed Ms. was submitted to a seminary theologian – Dr. Yost, then situated in Washington, D.C. He sent it over to the Review Publishers. When the book editor, Elder Thurber, spoke to me regarding it, he said they could not publish it because it would not be financially feasible, and that a woman could not “compete” in this field with the theologians, and that they had already assigned someone to write on the Song of Solomon for the SDA Commentary.

I then took the Ms. To the Biblical Research Institute to see what I should do with it. I was asked by Gordon Hyde, head of the Biblical Research Institute, if I thought myself to be a prophet! I replied that I was only a Bible student. He asked me if I had used “eisogenus” (devising an interpretation, giving it my own personal application, pushing it upon the Bible,) and that he felt there was “a better way of interpreting that book of the Bible.” I left the Ms. with them and did not hear from them until 1956. In the meantime, the Biblical Research Institute determined to publish the book with a “better way of interpreting the Song of Solomon,” titled The Splendor of the Song of Songs. Then, if my book was to “get out” that new book was to take its place. The Union Presidents were warned by the General Conference personnel to reject a very dangerous Ms. of Satanic subtle origin, and to push instead The Splendor of Song of Songs. It was self evident that the director of the Biblical Research Institute should write and published his own book with a “better interpretation” on the Song of Solomon under a pseudonym of A.K. Dickenson.

While visiting Yellow Stone Park, I was directed by the Union President, Elder Nightingale of Colorado, to purchase and read the new book that had just come off the press titled The Splendor of the Song of Songs.

In all fairness, I asked the Lord “If my Ms. was in error, then show me in this new book what I should have done. But if there is an error in the new book, open my eyes so that I may discern what it is.” I read the newly published The Splendor of the Song of Songs with a red pencil and the Lord opened my eyes to what was in the book.

I wrote a protest to Elder Pearson, the General Conference President, quoting the seventeen times the new book had contradicted the Scripture! There were many other errors to which I called his attention. Then I asked if there were anyone in the General conference who would put his signature to that publication, claiming that it represented the Seventh-day Adventist methods of Biblical Interpretation? The new book was taken off the shelves of the ABC sales stores. The members of the Biblical Research Institute were angry. Unfortunately for me, I had just poked the hornets’ nest!

At that time, the State of Ohio Department of Education was changing the Education Code (laws) in an effort to close down our whole Seventh-day Adventist School system in Ohio, and the Superintendent was sick and dying. I was the one who was preventing the closure of all our schools by bringing all published education materials up to and beyond State standards in all our Ohio schools. Therefore, my Conference President was not about to let me go. But he was advised to keep me busy so that I would have no time for book writing. I was loaded with responsibilities and put on a schedule of 7 days a week for the Education department for several years.

After I retired in 1982, I prepared an audio-visual program using three projectors, three screens, and an automated commentary by the Quiet Hour speaker, to present a program on the Song of Solomon. This program was shown in more than 500 churches across the USA and Canada. It revealed God’s love for His people all the way down through history from the First Coming of Jesus to His Second Coming, and the unique character of Adventism as it nears the sealing work in the endtime.

In the late 1980’s I researched and wrote a manuscript on the last chapter of Daniel. It was titled Warning in the 1260, 1290 and the 1335 Day Timelines of Daniel 12. I could get no response to requests to present my work at the General Conference session in 1990 to be held in Indianapolis, Indiana. As a result of fasting and prayer, the Lord gave me three stations at the bottom of the escalator in the airport in Indianapolis, Indiana, for the 1990 General Conference Session. Many volunteers assisted me and as the delegates came in from all the world, 2000 copies were distributed. I had not asked permission from the biblical Research Institute nor the General Conference to write nor publish this book and again they were angry. We were labeled as “Offshoots.” Volunteers also sent 4000 copies to every pastor in N. American Division. Nearly every church has had it in its library.
Books were ordered from many places overseas by the cases and many translated into the languages of the people there. I never knew how many thousands of these books were sent out to every corner of the earth. It was the Lord’s work to bring hope and courage to all who should face the endtime crisis. At the world conference in 1990, the pastors were called in to a previous session to introduce, to them, a Pentecostal booklet titled “Trinity Power Circle.” They were also being signed up to take the 1, 11, 111, 1V Neuro-linguistic Lab. Training. These publications were intended to promote the new celebration “Good Hope” Churches among Seventh-day Adventism. But my Ms. on Daniel 12 was based on the most primitive fundamentals of Adventism being given out to all the delegates. My work was entirely out of harmony with the “new order of books” introduced at that session. Once again, I had poked a hornets’ nest! The swarm intended to destroy my reputation and my work.

As I responded to invitations to visit different countries, where the book had been translated into the language of the people and distributed to the pastors there, I would become aware of the fax messages and telephone calls that were sent from the members of the Biblical Research Institute warning the pastors and the Conference presidents that “they could not recommend my work, and it would be too confusing.” After I would leave they would send men to undo the work that I had done. They circulated a critique against my work to pastors everywhere.

I found as I attended different churches that they did not permit me to do any public interaction with the people there. I knew the pastors dared not go against the orders from their leadership and therefore, I did not request membership. As the infirmities of aging have overtaken me, I can no longer travel nor stand in a pulpit to address an audience. I have time to contemplate the way that God had led. I have no regrets for the decisions I have made to stand firmly for the “Present Truth” as it is in Scripture and the Spirit of Prophesy materials. I praise the Lord in all things and rest in the work that has been done for His kingdom.

Question 1. Now let me ask you some very important questions. On what points do you disagree with Seventh-day Adventist doctrine?

Answer: In all my writings and teachings I have never disagreed on any of the SDA doctrine. In fact, all my work on prophesy is based on those Fundamental Truths. Nor do I disagree with any of their representations on prophesy that are based on Scripture and historical facts. I do reject the “traditional views” based on errors in “some of the figures” that have never been officially corrected, doctoral opinions, past or present, that are simply human suppositions.

Question 2. Then what is it that the Biblical Research Institute objects to in your treatment of the prophesies?

Answer: I have simply addressed to those areas which are currently left untouched.

Question 3. What areas have the Biblical Research Institute and SDA writers left untouched?

Answer: Daniel 11 and Daniel 12 with its three timelines. You will see that in the Sabbath School Quarterly and books like God Cares, these chapters are simply left out. However, the Biblical Research Institute has published a small booklet on Daniel 12 giving what they call the “Traditional Seventh-day Adventist View.” It repeats the “errors in some of the figures” on the 1843 chart which have never been officially corrected. That little booklet also is a defense against an application that places the Daniel 12 timelines in a future setting. Recent briefs have also been placed in Adventist publications, giving the “traditional view” of Daniel 12 Timelines and denying a future application. Jesus had things to say about traditional views and beliefs. (Matt. 15:3,6,9-14.)

Question: Why are Daniel 11 and 12 currently left out?

Answer: There can be controversy over future events that tend to split the church. Some like to argue and fight over it.

Question: What have you done with Daniel 11 and 12 that is additional information?

Answer: The book of Daniel is the story of the rise and fall of seven great empires. It begins this historical procession of empires in 606 B.C. and takes the story clear to the end of time. The last chapter of Daniel with its three timelines is not a repeat of what happened from 538 B.C. to 1798 – a Papal Supremacy over Europe, but is a prediction of what will happen at the end of time in a future similar situation. The three timelines of Daniel 12 tell us how long the final crisis will last until God’s people will be delivered from the wicked.

Question: Why would there be anyone who would not want to know or want Seventh-day Adventists to know what is coming in the future?

Answer: God wants us to be aware of the fact that even in our present day we are faced with the same “characters” as those who opposed the Truth in the days of Jesus. We face Judas, Caiphus the Agagite priesthood, the doctors of the law, the Sanhedrin, the court rules, and King Herod. We know them by different names but the same Satanic spirit is still active and every man must investigate and make up his own mind and make his own decisions in regard to his beliefs and convictions. All truth and especially “Present truth” is found in the Scripture and the works of the prophetess. The assumptions and decisions of man are known as “the arm of flesh.”

Question: What exactly do the three timelines of Daniel 12 tell us?

Answer: The three timelines of Daniel 12 are both bad news and good news!
Daniel 12:7 tells us that in the future God’s people will have three and a half years of world-wide persecution.
Daniel 12:11 tells us that the persecutor will reign exactly 1290 days.
Daniel 12:12 tells us that God’s people will wait it out for 1335 days until they will be delivered from a final world-wide Death Decree.

Question: When will this begin?

Answer: These timelines are interpreted by the book of Revelation. These two books must be studied together to interpret each other. Revelation 13 tells us when these timelines will begin and end. But this is an involved study and needs to be done step by step. That is what the books are all about that are opposed by the BRI.

Question: Thank you Marian. We need to get the books and study out those steps to see if they will help us know where we are in the stream of time.

Answer: Thank you for this opportunity to let the world know how close we are to the end of time and what to expect in our near future. I praise God for all the light and truth which He has given us, and of which I am least worthy. I know my Saviour lives and that I shall stand upon the new earth on that great day in a new body and rejoice in eternal life with the Great Life Giver. Praise the Lord. This is what the study of prophesy has done for me. It has caused the Day-star (Jesus Christ) to rise in my heart! (11 Pet. 1:19-21.)

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